The 230 Atips are the best I've tried for consistent BC and holding vertical deep into transonic speeds. Mag., it … has many outdated design characteristics, starting with the entirely unnecessary belt and including its quite-short neck, which (in theory more than practice) provides a marginal grip on the bullet and can potentially allow concentricity inconsistencies. Subscriber Services. Brass life for the .26 Nosler should be longer than that of the 6.5-300, as the Nosler design lacks the belt of brass, and the case stretching and thinning associated with it. Today, I have to give that nod to the is not a superb hunting cartridge. I have a Nosler 30. Both PRC cartridges are outstanding for wide-open country where wind and distance must be overcome. This last fact makes it incompatible with really long-nosed, fine-entry high-BC bullets. I go over the ballistics and I pick the one I would prefer. In this video I compare the new 30 caliber magnums by Nosler and Hornady. It wears the traditional-but-useless belt. It’s optimized for use with very long, sleek bullets, and pushes them significantly faster than the PRC does. The other advantage of the 300 Norma is the ability to switch barrel with the 338lm if you wanted. Jan 18, 2016 #2 Ryan Avery Admin Staff member Joined Jan 5, 2012 Messages 6,269 I don't think it matters. Unless your different than most your not gonna take a .30 or RUM or 300 out to the range and shot boxes This particular article intends to highlight the .300 PRC’s advantages when compared directly to each of the currently popular .30-caliber magnums on the market. Each will average in the center of those listed windows. I’d rather have the better long-range capability provided by 200-plus-grain projectiles, so at least for me that’s a moot point. Otherwise I would The 30 Nosler is going to push a 215 Berger 3000-3100 fps most of the time. DO NOT buy the hype that the .30 is just another 300WM ( which I also own and hunted for years with). I have built 2 300 PRCs, both shooting amazingly well, my latest is a Kimber Montana donor with a 26" 1-9.5 twist #4 fluted Benchmark, two days ago with Factory Hornady 225gr ELD-M bullets I shot at 500, 650 and 820 yards, I shot a 2.5" group at 820 yards, this cartridge is amazing, funny thing I was hunting with my gunsmith that builds my rifles this last week and we took an afternoon off to do some shooting, he did the spotting on steel at those ranges and he was very impressed. Hornady = 97 gr. The 30 Nosler blows past the highly regarded 300 Winchester Magnum—eclipsing the round in all three testing categories. So why all the LOVE for the 300 PRC when the 30 Nosler has being here for years ? Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and … Magnum Shotshells - Do We Really Need Them? You can read more about the deep details of the cartridge, it’s concept and design, and it’s performance in the March issue of Shooting Times magazine. Performance will be pretty much the same. And because the 30 Nosler has a belt-less case, it’s more accurate and makes for easier reloading. 30 Nosler: Nosler = 99 gr. Next, we pit subsonic rivals against each other before stretching the legs of this CQB round out to 600 yards from a short 9-inch barrel. Reamers need to be speced right, rifles build well, and load development done thoroughly. As a matter of mirror-image fact, the two cases are extremely similar. Berry's Bullets: Reloading Equipment, Shooting Accessories & Bullet Accuracy Tests, Black Hills Evolution of Rifle Cartridge: .308 Win. Although it’s certainly the second-most-popular .30-caliber magnum, this short fatty has two distinct disadvantages when compared to the .300 PRC. Either AB, BC, AC, or all three together. Powders include Plus, it kicks like a demoniac mule, and requires a full-magnum-length action even though it has a short head height. 300 PRC: Bertram = 89 gr. They are all firing heavy 30 caliber bullets around the 3000fps mark. Hornady .300 PRC (left) and 30 Nosler 30 Nosler vs. Hornady .300 PRC Just a year or so ago I wrote that the 30 Nosler was arguably the single best-designed .30-caliber magnum in existence. The 30 Nosler eclipses the velocity of the 300 Weatherby, headspaces of the shoulder like a 300 RUM, has an efficient powder column like that of the 300 WSM and its in the same standard length action of a 300 W… I want one of the new 30 cal cartridges like the 300 prc or 30 nosler. That an important factor should be thought about bullet selection. While neither choice will be inexpensive to feed, there is something fun about having the fastest cartridge in its class, and both the .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum are in the top tier. Also, the .300 Norma requires a really big action. Magnum shotshells give shooters more of what they don't need, including more recoil, more... Berry's product line is extensive; in addition to making over 60 types of bullets, the firm... HSM Ammunition has just released another new 6.5 Creedmoor loading. .300 PRC reloading data with 102 loads. However, I’m constrained to confess the fact that I have absolutely no use for bullets lighter than 180 grains in any 30-caliber magnum. The 300 PRC has a better setup for longer bullets and takes advantage of longer free bore. Mag. RJ _____ The Real King is the 375 H&H #2 06-28-2019, 03:14 AM JD848 : Join Date: Dec 2011. Would I recommend the 300 PRC over the 30 Nosler, no. Finally, it’s throat is reamed very deeply, which allows bullets to get a running jump at the rifling leade and prevents pressure spikes with aggressive loads, but can be detrimental to precise accuracy. In many ways, it does what the .300 PRC does, and does it even better. 300 PRC vs 300 Win Mag 300 PRC and.300 Win Mag factory loads generally have similar muzzle velocities, but the 300 PRC shoots a heavier bullet with a higher BC. The result? Let’s start with the most common of them all: the .300 Winchester Magnum. Reamers need to be speced right, rifles build well, and load development done thoroughly. The PRC’s solitary advantage is its longer head height and throat, which play nicer with extremely long, high-BC bullets. The .300 Blackout is here to stay, and we take some time to look at new technology surrounding this cartridge. Second, it too has a short head height, making it incompatible with very long high-BC projectiles. Mag.’s belt, and the .300 PRC has less taper and a 30-degree shoulder as opposed to the .300 Win. They are all worthy.-Dan In fact, because it’s got a shorter throat that engages light-ish, short-shanked projectiles faster, the 30 Nosler actually may provide more consistent accuracy with popular deer-weight bullets. The .300 PRC is the only .30- caliber It does all this in a smaller and lighter recoiling package. But as I tend to like Initial factory loads feature two outstanding high-BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets: the Hornady 212-grain ELD-X and 225-grain ELD Match. It’s past that where it becomes significant. The first has a BC of .673; the latter an eyebrow-raising .777. Originally designed for hunting. I think the 300 PRC factory ammo is match grade, but the velocity spreads for match grade factory ammo will make it easy to out score with 300WM hand loaded for consistent velocity. Therefore, 300 PRC has a slightly flatter trajectory, a little more retained energy, less wind drift, and somewhat more recoil than the 300 … I think I'll wait The author used the .300 PRC to take this Roland Ward reedbuck in South Africa. When it comes to hunting inside 400 yards, the Hornady .300 PRC cartridge does nothing more and nothing less than the passel of already existing .30-caliber magnums. Finished rifles will be around 0.75 inch shorter in the action, and barrels can be a short 22 inches and still provide full propellant burn. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. It's that time of the year when I want to build a rifle from scratch. For me, I went 30 Nosler because of potential for bear in Alaska. If I was getting a .30 caliber long range rig, I would see no reason to look anywhere other than the PRC. Currently ADG is making 30 Nosler brass, but I think PRC … I'm looking for a pic or pics comparing the .300WM, .300 PRC, and the .300 NM. ELR guys like to shoot, so poor barrel life is a significant problem. All things considered, the .300 PRC is a much more polite, civilized cartridge that is durned near as capable and offers far greater efficiency. Reply Match. Get the 300 Norma or one of the rounds that outperforms it. 30 Nosler vs. 300 Win Mag. It’s a necked-down .338 Lapua, and although it blasts those bullets out with wicked speed, the cavernous capacity of that gargantuan case is too much of a good thing. 30 Nosler, 300 WM, 300 RUM Pros and Cons of each and why one over the other? If you already have a 28 Nosler, 6.5 CM and will now have a 300 WSM or 6.5 PRC, how in the hell are you going to decide which one to take? If I was looking for long range rig, the decision for me would be between the .28 Nosler and the .300 PRC. Not that the concept of a magnum-class .30-caliber is new or unique; in fact, we have over a dozen .30-caliber magnums on the market before Hornady announced the release of the .300 PRC, or Precision Rifle Cartridge. I want to build a 300 PRC, but I'm just covered up in 30 caliber magnums currently. The 28 and 30 Nosler are potentially great rounds. 30 Nosler vs 300 PRC. Originally designed for hunting. Let me know if you shot it with ELD-X bullets. In my opinion Berger bullets are better target bullets than hunting bullets. To date, I’ve effectively shot the .300 PRC from 40 yards, at which I walloped a giant of a free-range Nyala while hunting with Crusader Safaris, out to 1844 yards, at which distance I peppered a 1 by 1.5 MOA rock with gratifying regularity. Although I love it, in pure technical terms I’m forced to admit the .300 Win. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. However, it’s a bit too much of a good thing. Therefore, 300 PRC has a slightly flatter trajectory, a little more retained energy, less wind drift, and somewhat more recoil than the … The necks are virtually the same length. If it's that they are cool or new or different that's cool. You are using an out of date browser. However, like the .300 Win. Heres a target from a customer, 2 seating depths at 600yds. And although it’s got a nice long neck that benefits concentricity, it’s got a short head height, making it less-compatible with ultra-modern long-range projectiles. Its biggest disadvantage is a quite short 0.72-inch “head height,” which is the distance between the front of the case mouth and the cartridge’s SAAMI maximum overall length. Just Thanks! In this video I compare the new 30 caliber magnums by Nosler and Hornady. https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/30-nosler-or-300-prc.212410/. So even though the .300 PRC case is slightly shorter at 2.58 inches than the Win. Neck Length =.293″ With a 215 Berger seated with bottom of bullet bearing surface at bottom of case neck. This one is a bit different, as the goal with the .300 PRC is to be able to maintain case capacity while loading the sleek, long-ogive bullets. It’s too much cartridge to fit inside most standard-size magnum bolt guns, and even if shoehorned in, you can only squeeze a couple of cartridges into the magazine. Mag. H2O to the top of the case mouth. The 300 prc you are stuck with other magnums with similar ballistics. That being said give me a 30 nos throated Mag. out of an unbelted case, and fits into .30-’06 Sprg.-length actions. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The 300 PRC has a 30 deg shoulder, the 30 Nosler has a 35 deg shoulder. All of those numbers are using H1000 powder. 300 Win Mag: Nosler = 95 gr. This beast provides more initial velocity than any of the previous cartridges discussed, and has proven to be an outstanding elk cartridge. That equates to about 60-75fps faster for the 28 Nosler… Tom Beckstrand and Neal Emery of Hornady highlight the 6MM Creedmoor ammo. No way in hell would I ever pay what they are asking for 28 nosler brass. In contrast, the .300 PRC is engineered with the latest cutting-edge cartridge design principles, and features a 1.12-inch head height, enabling the use of very long, low-drag projectiles without intruding inside the case. Both have their place. The 30 Nosler is ADG at ~102 grains H20. The 300 PRC is going to push a 215 Berger between 2950 and 3050 most of the time. Load data as stated by … The 300 PRC is Hornady and holds ~97 grains of H20. Where this cartridge goes wrong is in the size of the case. First, it tends to be finicky to feed, because short fat cartridges must tilt up from the magazine and transition into the chamber at much more abrupt angles than longer cartridges. Could you please share some details on your barrel and powder used. That's amazing. 300 PRC vs 300 Win Mag. The 300 prc was made for a guy like you that doesn’t reload and wants to get into the LR game. |   Match bullet. Bullet Cost - Why is this so much a wild hair. 175 Gr. The .300 PRC’s case is the same diameter as the .300 Win. Now this one is interesting. Let’s compare the two, in order to gauge how the .300 PRC will stack up against the best-known .300 Magnum. The 300 prc will do the same. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. It’s got a fair amount of case taper. Since you are reloading, I think the ballistics are what would be important to you. The … Now I am waffling between the … In my opinion Berger bullets are better target bullets than hunting bullets. Barrel life is short, and being aggressively overbore, the RUM can be finicky about accuracy. The 30 Nosler cartridge delivers better ballistics than the .300 Win. I don't want to start a war here, but would like to learn. Between 300 PRC and 28 Nosler, you have to decide imo. Yep, it’s spec’d with a plentiful head height, too. Mag. Each has enough capacity to get the job done. I ditched the 300 wm years ago, and there's no freaking way guys are matching prc or 30 nos velocities with it … JavaScript is disabled. Hunting in Colorado at 8-9kft my 28 has 2100fps and 2000ft/lbs at 1000yards. Today, I have to give that nod to the .300 PRC. I have 175 Gr. Mag.’s 25-degree shoulder. Note how the 300 PRC (red line) is in-between the 338 Lapua (green line) and the 300 Norma (blue line) in performance (and is slightly closer to the 300 Norma). Lots of recoil and muzzle blast. If I paid anywhere near that I would still be happily shooting a 7 SAUM. I go over the ballistics and I pick the one I would prefer. A .375 Ruger necked down to .30 caliber, and spec’d with a very long throat so long, sleek bullets don’t have to be seated with their bases deeply protruding into powder capacity, the .300 PRC requires a long, true-magnum-length magazine box of 3.70 inches. I have this problem all the time. Sub 10lb with optics sporter from a bipod. As an aside, custom rifle makers have been circumventing the head-height issue with the .300 Win. Ammo factories must load to this standardized maximum, which prevents factory ammo from being loaded with long, super-sleek bullets with the very fine, gradual entry that so benefits extreme-range aerodynamics. (You’ll find this is a common thread throughout most of the following comparisons.). But if you have little interest in shooting past 600 yards, there’s little difference in performance between the two. Currently ADG is making 30 Nosler brass, but I think PRC will come soon as well. It’s engineered to provide inherent accuracy and to offer ideal performance with heavy, aerodynamic projectiles that shrug off wind and maintain velocity better than common .308-diameter bullets. Mag., it’s got some pretty outdated design characteristics. The .300 PRC is based on the beltless .375 Ruger, itself a sound design. However, these rifles require handloading to realize full potential. And because the 30 Nosler has a belt-less case, it’s more accurate and makes for easier reloading. The 300 prc will do the same. The PRC has 1950fps and 1200ft/lbs at 1000yds. by chambering it in true magnum-length actions that allow handloaders to seat long bullets at optimum lengths. It is, and the ready availability of a vast spectrum of various loads and rifles makes gives it outstanding versatility. Minuteman. 300 Win OAL (case head to bullet tip) = … That’s approaching the coefficient of legendary .338 Lapua bullets, and it’s worth noting that the .300 PRC was in part conceived as a potential replacement for extreme-range sniper work; one that offers much friendlier recoil and muzzle blast. The 300 Norma is ~103 grains with Lapua brass. They all do 30 Caliber Magnum things The only 30 caliber magnum I Would the 300 prc recoil be greater than 28 nosler on a scoped rifle in the 9.5 pound range? David Fortier talks with Jeff Hoffman of Black Hills Ammunition about the evolution of the .308 Win. Whats more American than apple pie and baseball? benchmstr Sergeant. The .300 PRC is designed around a 225- grain bullet that enabled Hornady to keep as much projectile as possible out of the case. 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 Creedmoor As an aside, a Sharing the same parent case as the 26 and 28 Nosler cartridges, the 30 Nosler takes all the best attributes of currently available 30 magnums and combines them all in one cartridge. The 28 Nosler has about 7-8% more case capacity over a 7-300 PRC. Which gun should I take? 300 PRC and .300 Win Mag factory loads generally have similar muzzle velocities, but the 300 PRC shoots a heavier bullet with a higher BC. Want the absolute best performance? I went with the 30 Nosler, it'll be throated for 245s If I can get 2900 with H1000 I'll be pumped. Compare these rounds in the charts below. To be fair, the .300 WSM does offer one advantage over the new PRC kid on the block: If you want a very short, light .30-caliber magnum rifle, this is your best bet. I just don't see the benefit in me grabbing another when there are more interesting things on my "list". The four basic methods of making rifling in a barrel are single-point, broach, button, and... Frank and Tony from Gallery of Guns spice up the Glock test using their non-dominant hands. I would honestly wait until the 7mm PRC comes out or go with the 300 PRC or another 7MM. It’s got class, panache, and performance in spades, and is actually the oldest veteran in this group. … 30 Noslers shoot. The 28 and 30 Nosler are potentially great rounds. The author analyzed six .30 caliber magnum cartridges (.300 H&H Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby, .300 Remington Ultra Mag., .30 Nosler, and .30-378 Weatherby) for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Case diameter is the same. The same bullets the graph is misleading. Compare these rounds in the charts below. Why not just shoot a slightly slower cartridge that pushes heavy, sleek bullets optimized for long range, and which provides less recoil and more performance way out there?

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